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  • #1814
    Bumm3rr
    Participant

    Basically me and a couple of friends as well as other members in the community felt like this needed to be written. Please take a look and if you agree with it or whatever just comment on it.

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11sG17j2N9v2ccROh3kMfYtp8LK4TY5zRyaHHpVYvYDo/edit?usp=sharing

    • This topic was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by Deathdusk. Reason: This argument was not a constructive use of time on either side
    #1815
    Memo
    Participant

    I support this

    #1816
    Deathdusk
    Keymaster

    Thanks for the suggestions and ideas. I have some comments.

    •  Characters
      • I am not comfortable with adding new characters right now, nor am I comfortable with them having nothing if people passed the character test for them. People who earned characters are still waiting on jutsu to be made or remade, and that is not good. People who pass the character test can wait as long as they want, but it is not about waiting, “a certain amount of time,” for character jutsu. It is interesting to see that this group put so much work into this suggestion post just to come up with waiting as the only solution. Unfortunately, waiting does not give me the means to fix older clans, create missing clans for certain characters, get character jutsu finished, and work on improving other jutsu. It is hard to make any of our characters interesting, popular or unpopular from the show, when I can not give them the cool things you want for them.
      • After more than seven months of discussion, I thought that the group who worked on this would give me more than a list of demands, but you still lay all of the responsibility to fix server issues to me. Until I get the staff and resources I need to improve existing features of the server, this will not change.
    • Character Process
      • Criteria
        • You are making it seem like everyone who has actively character tested is struggling on just one or two jutsu themselves, and that it’s like they’re all getting a 99/100 and failing. Every person I have tested in the past six months, aside from you and maybe Akito, has struggled with a lot more than two, three, or even four jutsu or ways they use their kit. Players taking the character test will have to change and adapt how they play to pass and be a better player.
        • You and Akito are two cases out of nearly fifty character tests in the past six months. Character testing requires people to make progress on their issues until they pass, and that’s what both of you did. You treat the “hit everything to pass,” requirement like you have to hit everything 100% of the time, without fail, without conditions, and without leeway. Most people give up way before that, not even doing the bare minimum and ignoring criticism, and you’ve seen this yourself when fighting people on the server.
        • If half, or more of the people testing were having this issue, you would make a pretty strong case. I struggle to find cases where a player is well-rounded but can’t hit a few jutsu. There are always other issues that prevent them from passing, like how they play, accuracy with jutsu, or how often they use certain jutsu.
      • Testers
        • I am probably going to need more testers now that we’re pulling 50-70 players daily, and now that the exam schedule has expanded to accommodate for EU/US anyway.
        • Not a lot of people have the time, game knowledge, or traits required to be a tester. You can suggest whoever you want, but they still need to comply to my rules and meet my standards, or else it’s just going to be endless disagreement.
      • Grading Harshness
        • When this criticism was brought up before, I have actively made sure the criticism I was making was concise, not too long, not too many big words, and I always try to let people testing know that it’s okay to fail, it’s okay to ask questions, and to make sure its still a fun environment testing. I don’t really see the point of this criticism at this point.
      • More Content
        • Missions
          • I hired Icarus to work on quests and bosses, the first thing I assigned him was a boss. This was months ago. Unfortunately, I can only tell him to work on things faster or fire him.
            • I want missions to be redone, I added the quests plugin with NPCs, MythicMobsQuests (to link MythicMobs to Questing), among other plugins so that it can be done, but there’s not much else I can do. Yet another issue where we don’t have the means to make what you’re asking for and it isn’t like anyone is trying to apply to make it better.
        • Prize Drops
          • When people complained that the bosses dropped only like 2,500 to 5,000, I made the change so that the bosses can drop anywhere between 2,500 to 10,000. This was months ago and I thought that this fixed the issue. No one has given me trouble about it since.
          • I can consider adding more unique drops to boss missions, like certain cosmetics like hats, or store chakra colors, in the future.
        • Events & Exams
          • Hosting more things requires more Hosters. We already expanded the exam schedule recently because we had to. This means we host more exams at EU/US friendly times. Events are next, we are discussing this in the staff channels right now, but I need a larger hosting team too and we know it. We are afraid we won’t be able to keep up with the influx of players, so we need a bigger team.
          • I am encouraging Hosters to help players through the application process to become Hoster. I need more Hosters, but unfortunately we are limited by the amount that apply. I made dozens of posts about staff needed, made changes to our application guide to make it approachable. I can lead them to the page but I can’t force them to apply.
        • Store Perks
          • We can talk about giving more perks to VIP ranks, but I definitely don’t want to give features to the ranks that make it so they don’t have to buy stuff from shops like every other player. Players shouldn’t get to buy ranks and just get to teleport directly to bosses, or get ranks and get free keys for not doing bosses, or get kunai and shuriken for free without having to earn the money in-game.  Mojang isn’t doing a good job at enforcing the EULA, and they likely aren’t going to, but there are certain things I don’t want on my store and that I like aren’t on my store.
          • Mineplex and Hypixel do follow the EULA. This is just a bad argument, I have read the documents Mojang releases for server monetization and they comply. They are massive Minecraft servers, the biggest even. If they didn’t comply, Mojang would know.
            • Literally one Google search. Mineplex is a partnered server with Mojang. If Mineplex broke their terms of service, they wouldn’t be.
            • Hypixel isn’t partnered with Mojang because they’re making Hytale, a direct competitor to Minecraft, and is working on their own projects that are a conflict of interest for Minecraft. They are an independent game studio, Hypixel Industries, whereas Mineplex replies on Minecraft.
    • Customization
      • Chakra Colors
        • I have heard about the GUI to change chakra colors suggestion, I want to do it, but I haven’t worked out how to do it or if it is possible in this version.
        • There are some technical issues on the server, with how the groups are made with chakra colors, that would have to be completely redone, and I still haven’t solved the issue of it going through resets.
          • This is something that I have to work on, but not really sure how I would go about it. You don’t see the difficulty of this from my POV, I don’t really expect you to, but it’s being worked on. I talked about this with Saiko and in the staff chat not too long ago.
          • I also have to do it with things like victory colors, weapon colors, and find a way to return all of this stuff to people efficiently upon resets.
      • Named Jutsu Items
        • I’ve never heard of the named jutsu items idea until now. I personally don’t get it, but I guess it needs more explanation. I’ll have to consider it.
      • Competitors
        • I don’t pay attention to what other servers are adding, if you want to suggest an idea you see on another server, you can, but some things on other servers might conflict with how our server works or I might not like, such as certain gameplay or store items.
    #1817
    TheRealRed
    Participant

    Reading through the slides, it seems like your suggestions don’t take into consideration the amount of work that has to be done to add these things. Things are already chaotic as it is with the new influx of players, The most staff members the staff teams have is hoster and we are still working out stuff in regards to the schedule. Right now adding Cosmetics, Characters, etc. seems trivial compared to what the server leadership have to deal with currently

    #1818
    Shyam
    Participant

    I’m just reading all this, and all this could be done if we had more staff and more people tow work with. We are trying our best to get more content, and more people to get involved in these projects. If you can see the amount of people on each team, you might understand why we are a little behind. That doesn’t MEAN the server is in a BAD place, because we have been popping almost everyday. Maybe soon we will have more staff to work with us on these content all you guys ask for. At least put it into consideration that everyone is trying their best.

    I hope you understand, and have a great day.

    #1826
    Pan
    Participant

    Hi there, I am aware that you may not take this into consideration because I’m staff but please keep in mind that I’m not just staff, I am a player as well who does care about the so please read it all the way through 🙂

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Y-EpJNzGFzsCl86i5yZEQO9nN-bCBzNY_yiY-Yk6Jo/edit?usp=sharing

    #1827
    Pan
    Participant

    Hi Memo, its great to see that you’re supporting a fellow member of the server, however further and more in depth input on the situation would be appreciated more so than “I support this” considering the powerpoint already states that you signed it, inherently stating that you do support the initial statement made. If you could elaborate on your exact thoughts we could tackle them together and possibly work on a compromise/resolution, thanks. 🙂

    #1828
    Bumm3rr
    Participant

    Quite interesting how you state you aren’t trying to be disrespectful in your response yet you throw shade, don’t know why you’re trying to respond to some of my points as well considering you’re someone who only logs in once every couple of months. You are missing the point, the people who signed this document have been arguing these points for the last couple of years but of course you wouldn’t know this considering you barely play.

    #1829
    Bumm3rr
    Participant

    Also, the reason we don’t have enough characters is because of how flawed the system is. No one wants to go for characters they don’t like hence why if you add more characters that are interesting for the players a lot of people will end up trying to go for them. Literally so many people I talk to are like “Yeah I would go back to playing if Death added x character”

    #1830
    Memo
    Participant

    The issue with these responses is that they’re all from staff members as this is a thing that is mostly for players. Of course hosters are going to disagree as there is a topic written on them and they are obviously going to stand against it. Most players who sign this have slowly drifted away from playing the server and wish to come back if this change were to go through. I also don’t think staff members who play once a blue moons points should be as valid as 10+ players who have been around for much longer. What else do you expect me to say when no one else has responded to post; I agreed with everything in that post and there was nothing else to be said.

    #1831
    Pan
    Participant

    No I’m well aware that this issue has been talked about for years, and I’m here more often than you think. Regardless you refuse to take what I said into account which is, you have no room to talk about added characters when the only developer on the server has to deal with 90 other issues simultaneously. You completely disregard the fact that it takes time to get multiple characters put in, make sure their jutsus work, and making sure they’re actually worth implementing. The developer and owner has stated that he isn’t comfortable with putting incomplete products out so why even bother asking for incomplete products? If you play the server specifically just to be a character and not interact with the community in the server as well then why play? The server doesn’t have the sole purpose of “give everyone a character to play” its for people to enjoy their own Naruto (The show) themed experience and enjoy themselves while making friends and interacting with said friends. If the only points you’re able to argue are that I’m not as active as a player and that you’ve been arguing this same point for years re-evaluate your argument. The suggestion you’ve made isn’t for the overall community its for yours and your cronies only. Also, my being disrespectful with a disclaimer is a reference to your own work 🙂

    #1832
    Pan
    Participant

    Memo, regarding how long I’ve been on the server referencing your statement of “10+ players that have been around for much longer”, I’ve been here for 5.5 years, so idk if they’ve been around for “much longer” than myself. I played consistently for three, and went inactive for two while checking in periodically roughly once every two months. Since actively re-joining the server I’ve been on roughly once per week and I host an exam when I was able to /up for it, considering I have to work a 40 hour job to keep myself from being homeless, and upkeep on my mental health as I have bi-polar 2 that is currently unmedicated, and yet I’ve been managing to get on somewhat frequently regardless of that situation, and continue to help where I can. While on I rarely see you online and every time you do pop up its around the times where situations like this (started by your loveable friend group) are started.  You are also completely ignoring the fact that staff members are players as well and we oh I don’t know. Play the server, go for characters, go through the exams, interact with the community, do the missions, ya know the works. So our opinions on suggestions like this count just as much as yours do.

    #1833
    Pan
    Participant

    In my statement via the google doc I admitted that there were some genuinely good suggestions in there as well as admitted that there has been lack of participation on my end and possibly other hosters as well especially regarding the event situation. I’ve admitted to and stated it needs work and will put forward effort into correcting said faults, but honestly seeing the history of this argument none of you will put forth the effort required to have what you want implemented. You’ve all made that abundantly clear.

    #1834
    Deathdusk
    Keymaster

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    #1835
    Bumm3rr
    Participant

    Very good response Kyle Deathdusk I am glad you are doing a lot as a server owner in this topic

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